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Life in Ambridge
Nothing to do with the current story-line but rather cute
KPnutsJuly 26, 2024 at 8:13 AM
ReplyDeleteJust heard on the radio that the actress Ysanne Churchman who played Grace Archer, has died. I wonder how the older cast members feel?
Thank you KP for posting that news.
DeleteI had not heard.
I am one of the Archers oldies but as a family we didn’t listen until after the event of the death of Grace.
ArcherphileJuly 23, 2024 at 11:22 AM
ReplyDeleteHow unfortunate that Paul heard about his Mum’s affair with Alistair by overhearing their conversation at the surgery.
He should have been told by one or other of his parents in a quiet moment at home.
I’m not at all surprised he was so angry and whereas other posters on FB sites have told him to ‘grow up’ and not be a ‘drama queen’, I sympathise with him. I have also lost any liking I might have had for Alistair for allowing such a situation to develop at work, right under the nose of his employee. Unprofessional, untrustworthy and uncaring.
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Cheshire CheeseJuly 23, 2024 at 1:46 PM
I'm just bored with this long drawn out saga.
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maryellenJuly 23, 2024 at 4:31 PM
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry, Archerphile, I can't work up enough interest in this storyline to have a serious opinion on it. I'm beginning to find it vaguely creepy!
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ArcherphileJuly 23, 2024 at 9:43 PM
Must say I find it creepy too and Alistair has gone right down in my estimation.
But there are no particular stories that are engaging me at the moment apart from wondering if George will ever confess to his part in the car crash.
A bit of a lean time for me recently.
maryellenJuly 24, 2024 at 5:34 AM
ReplyDeleteI know what you mean! Alastair has as about as much charisma as a wet duvetn. I like the junior Grundys’ tree surgery storyline, but fear it’s George’s confession rather than a chainsaw accident that will end their brief happiness.
Speaking of George, I’ve noticed (aa no doubt other listeners have) his liking and concern for animals running like a thread through his story, most recently with the kittens. It makes me wonder if he will abandon his adolescent dreams of becoming a highly paid influencer, or whatever, and training as a vet, eventually taking over first Paul’s, then Alistair’s job at the surgery. Keira could take on the Grundy farming interest .............
Thank you KP I was not aware of Ysanne Churchman’s passing (at 99yrs) either. Her role was before my listening days began but god bless her, one of the trailblazers. Agree the older actors will be especially sad. June Spencer is still flying the flag at 105yrs - incredible! Patricia Green is also 93yrs old now where have the year’s gone 🫢
ReplyDeleteThe actor who surprises me the most is Brian Hewlett aka Neil, who is 85yrs young.
DeleteMy goodness Miriam I agree, Neil sounds and always has much younger than his actual age. It appears it is a case of “They shall not grow old as we grow old” in our minds anyway if a family member or friend is not seen for a long time and only spoken with via the telephone they mostly sound as they always did but one knows this is not physically the case.
DeleteI have just posted some comments re Ysanne Churchman and the current storylines on the old blog.
ReplyDeleteI didn’t realise this new one had started so if you are able to transfer them I’d be very grateful KP
ArcherphileJuly 28, 2024 at 10:43 AM
ReplyDeleteVery interesting long story about Grace’s death and the feud between Ysanne Churchman and Godfrey Baseley that led to the story - in Saturday’s Times. A lot more went on than I ever realised. Godfrey Baseley sounds like he was a very bitter and vindictive man
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ArcherphileJuly 28, 2024 at 10:39 AM
Just been listening to Thurs and Fri episodes together as I missed them.
I am absolutely sick & tired of hearing about Alast-air & whatshername’s affair and its effect on Paul. Just wish they would wind the story up and go on to something else
As for the bullying at the abattoir, it’s hardly surprising putting someone like Freddie amongst the rest of the lads in such a place & I doubt very much that the ‘little talk’ Vince arranged has settled the matter for good.
George? He’s crumbling, not helped by Pats advice to just tell the truth. Will he or won’t he? I don’t know and I’m almost past caring. Hopefully that will be another story ending soon.
As you can probably tell, I’m very disenchanted with TA at the moment & hoping for a traditional Summer Fête story soon; bridge rolls, WI cakes, brass band, Lynda and all. 😄
Well done, George! It seems he's as good with young children as he is with animals. As a valued member of the Bridge Farm team, whose farming skills match his IT and media skills, I'm convinced he'll be a real asset to his family and the village when the repercussions of the accident have died down. I sincerely hope those repercussions are as minimal as possible. and the case is dropped before it comes to trial,. In my view living with their guilty consciences is punishment enough for both George and Alice who, if her memory of the event returns, will recall that she instigated the accident. George is only technically guilty of being in the driving seat, though uninsured (do we absolutely know that?), and of course totally guilty of then attempting to pervert the course of justice. Hopefully, any punishment for that will not be penal, community service/fine, perhaps.
ReplyDeleteI hope that George does get community service and he will then continue to do, and grow through doing, what he already does, which is to be part of his village life.
DeleteOnce he gets beyond his need to make money out of whatever he does ( he might not of course ) he will become a very useful ‘go to ‘ person in Ambridge.
Much like his grandfather of course. ( with built in rogue element ? )
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DeleteHow much longer are these storylines going to go on for?
DeleteDon’t worry CC - we’ll soon have the Village fete to cheer up the airwaves.
DeleteJoy v Lynda, Jill’s sticky lemon v Fallons chocolate gâteau and the Silver Band v the school ukulele group.
Can’t wait!
I'm not so sure, Archerphile - there could be handbags at dusk!! Which reminds me, I was surprised at how sharp Lilian was with Lynda over the date clash with the Stables event, given they are buddies . Lilian gas been under a lot of strain, of course.
DeleteYes, she was rather sharp and it made me think, what right had she to insist that the stables reopening is more important than the village fête. I think the villagers might agree.
DeleteOh, and I wonder if Shula knows what has been going on?
I thought Lilian and Carlotta had already arranged this. Lynda changed the date of the fete, so hence the now clash.
DeleteAh, didn’t get that bit of information. I must listen more carefully!
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DeleteThat's right - the clash was Lynda's fault but there was no need for Lilian to be so snappy and unsympathetic about it, especially as they are friends. I don't know what the scriptwriters were trying to tell us, that Lilian hadn't yet recovered from the crisis at The Stables, or Lynda was beginning to lose it!
DeletePerhaps the new Robert is not so helpful as the old one & she’s feeling the strain. 😄
DeleteWell, Robert certain;y sounds older these days (80* I believe) so it wouldn't be surprising if he was finding running the B+B plus the house and garden maintenance too much for him now. Perhaps Lynda is pondering retirement from the B+B and downsizing?
DeleteOh wow! What a dramatic episode! Much as I dislike both Emma and George I must admit that was a well written and superbly acted episode.
ReplyDeleteWhat next?
My thoughts exactly Archerphile ⭐️
DeleteAgree wholeheartedly, Archerphile - terrific acting and scripting. I haven't been so rivetted to my radio since the original Rob and Helen story in Sean O'Connor's day. I've always enjoyed listening to Emma, partly because she's so well acted, and now George is a worthy match. It was a wise decision to make this a one-story episode and not not interweave it with some inconsequential tale about the fete or whatever, as light relief. So, after weeks of wondering when and to whom would George confess, do we now face weeks of wondering what Emma will do with the knowledge?
DeleteWhy is Denise “Metcalfe” when her husband and son are “Mack” have I missed something obvuios?
ReplyDeletePresumably she didn't change her surname when she married.
DeleteOh well done Lilian…….
ReplyDeleteAnd as for Joy …… Strategic or what ?
Fantastic !
Joy has certainly learnt how to handle Lynda.
ReplyDeleteOnce again, I'm with Justin on Alice's return to work. It's a case of sense versus sensibility - good sense on Justin's part and pure sentiment on Lilian's. I find Lilian's lack of responsibility for Shula's joint interest in the business as astonishing as Alice's effrontery in expecting to resume her employment at The Stables without delay, and despite the arguments against it plus the fact that Carlotta has proved to be have a very capable replacement). Talk about self-entitlement!
ReplyDeleteCompletely agree Maryellen.
DeleteI’m in tears for Emma !
ReplyDeleteShe has most certainly seen the light that no longer shines out of her sons backside.
Wow a Wednesday night cliffhanger!
ReplyDeleteWill we hear the conversation between Emma and Will or most likely just Will’s reaction to it. When Alice and Chris get to know the real reason for Emma’s change of heart they won’t be so impressed with her current offer as things stand Alice could still go to prison if the truth does not out in time….
Alice”s ‘little girl ‘voice is beginning to irritate me. At the moment, I’ve very little sympathy for its owner but a great deal for Emma.
ReplyDelete(I once read an article in a speech therapy journal about women with little girl voices, subconsciously harking back to a childhood when they were spoilt and made to feel highly valued, if I remember correctly. Sounds about right here!)
We belong to the same club ME.
DeleteI’ve always found women with little girl voices suspect.
However I wouldn’t put Alice into that category because for me, she has emphasis and range, and although the voice itself is quite light it is not, for me within the category of ‘little girl’.
Required listening for Archer - philes like me …… this afternoon’s edition of Feedback on radio 4
ReplyDeleteEntirely recorded in the Archers studio with contributions from the studio manager, the Editor and ‘Emma’ and ‘George’. I believe it is repeated on Sunday evening too.
Yes it was very good listening.
DeleteAnd nice to hear others outside of this blog who have also been listening for as long as us.
What a lovely episode tonight with such a thoughtful memorial to Roy Tucker.
ReplyDelete❤️ indeed Mrs P
DeleteI was so pleased last nights episode had that lovely tribute to Ian Pepperell via his character, Roy.
ReplyDeleteIt felt as if the whole cast and crew were saying goodbye and how much they would miss Roy/Ian.
So much nicer than abandoning the character to the silent brigade as has happened in the past.
Agree 100% AP
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DeleteAlas, George clutching at straws in another attempt to avoid the terrifying prospect of a prison sentence is not a pretty sight. I think he will eventually follow his mother’s. admirable advice and turn himself in! .Or will Emma do the incredibly hard thing and turn her son in? I believe she has the moral courage and emotional intelligence to dot it. Hopefully it won’t be needed. because George will get there first.
ReplyDeleteI am admiring Emma more and more as she battles against the inbred Grundy trait of muddying the waters if not actually telling an outright lie.
ReplyDeleteShe will become a splendid matriarch for the Grundy family in due course. (What’s happened to Clarrie? Long time, no hear!)
DeleteNot only Clarrie, but Eddie too ME.
DeleteA combination of budget, ageing actors, and story lines featuring the young I imagine.
I wonder if Emma and Will are risking being charged with perverting the course of justice when it eventually emerges they have been concealing the truth about George. I don't think it will take Kate long to realise things don't add up in George's story either.
ReplyDeleteI think that is more than a possibility Janice, and agree about Kate too.
DeletePerhaps some smart police investigator might also wonder about George’s sudden return of memory and start asking questions.
I hope so, this whole saga has dragged on far too long.
DeleteEmma says all the right words but her actions belied those words when she went to the police station with George knowing that he was going to tell a lie.
ReplyDeleteI don’t think Emma abandoned her moral stance. As I read it, it was more a case of getting George to set foot in a police station and hoping the truth would emerge under questioning.
DeleteI have just seen a ridiculously young Simon Williams.
ReplyDeleteBBC 4 have just shown a 1974 edition of Call My Bluff, the word quiz hosted by Robert Robinson and with Team captains Frank Muir and Patrick Campbell. Simon Williams was a guest on one of the teams, as was an equally young, brown haired Joanna Lumley.
Simon had absolutely nothing wrong with his voice back then!
This was followed by an ancient edition of the Antiques programme with Arthur Negus.
Such memories. I wonder which other old programmes are going to be shown.
Since there is no way of telling if a memory recovered by hypnotherapy is true or not without independent forensic evidence, I suppose the only positive outcome of Alice’s session (assuming she ‘remembers’ the same as we remember) would be to prompt the police to look for the evidence and/or scare George into owning up of his own accord, which might be a mitigating factor if and when it comes to sentencing.
ReplyDeleteI hope Alice ‘remembers’ it was her drunk behaviour that caused George to crash though sadly I don’t think there can be any independent forensic evidence to support this, except possibly her fingerprints on the inside door handle.
George caused the crash by pushing Alice into the passenger seat and stealing her car. Otherwise Alice would have stayed safely off road and the crash would not have happened.
ReplyDeleteCompletely agree PatriciaC
DeleteNone of it would have happened if Alice hadn’t deliberately drunk herself into a stupor, couldn’t wait to get home to start on the vodka and adopted the unwise practice of sleeping it off in a lay-by. She was lucky it was one of her family who found her and undertook to drive her home and not the police or someone with evil intentions. If she hadn’t been so drunk she wouldn’t have tried to get out of a moving car to be sick on the verge, and distracted George. Only if she’d been sober enough to wait for the car to stop would the crash not have happened.
ReplyDeleteI blame whoever invented vodka ...
DeleteI really think Maryellen that you could successfully argue that black is white. You might as well say that if Alice had never been born none of it would have happened. Alice has said she has done this before, ie. parked up and put the car keys in the glove compartment to prevent her driving from off when she was incapable. She was obviously taking a chance of being found by the police or someone with 'evil' intentions, but was found by George whose intentions, if not strictly evil, were not primarily to get Alice home safely because she was a member of his family, but to enjoy a ride in her nice car.
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Patricia - I’m still working out whether your first sentence is a compliment or not!! 🙂🙂. George’s confession, if and when it happens, may rescue Alice from a drink-driving charge but may also lay her open to “being in charge of a vehicle while above the legal limit or unfit through drink. I think Weccan all agree
Deleteshe is guilty on that count and concealing her car keys in the glove compartment (an obvious place) doesn’t apply.
Re your last sentence - I rather think this is a theory generated by listeners instead of a fact as given in the programme. It’s a reasonable supposition - what young lad wouldn’t want the chance to drive Alice’s posh car? (well, Brad perhaps) but George is capable of doing a good deed.and we’ve no evidence as to which was the primary motivation, have we?
George was hardly doing a good deed when he pushed Alice back into the driver's seat to make it appear that she was driving. He also seemed indicate it was all a bit of a laugh when he left a message on Will's mobile asking him not to lock him out as he had found Alice drunk in her car and was going to drive her home. A message that George later managed to delete as he knew it would be incriminating. In recent times George has appeared to be maturing, but at the same time saying really cruel things to his family, especially to Emma, so he's hardly a reformed character.
ReplyDeleteI'm afraid Maryellen we'll never agree on this storyline.
By the way my first sentence was by way of being a compliment as I envy your way with words ☺️.
All I want is for George to crumble and tell all and then accept his punishment. He is seemingly not able to cope with the situation now and won't as the trial, whenever it is, approaches
ReplyDeleteIf he doesn't and Alice ends up in prison then 🤷♀️
I was disappointed that we didn't hear from Brad and Mia about their A Level results instead of more of the George and Alice situation. It would have been nice to have more emphasis on some good news from two happy young people.
ReplyDeleteAt last Will is giving George sensible advice, I was thinking he had lost all sense of reason.
ReplyDeleteI have never heard George sound so panic stricken. How on earth did he think he would be able to stop Alice’s hypnotherapy session? Fortunately Will handled the situation well and talked sense but whether George really listened to him and will behave sensibly now may be another story.
ReplyDeleteAs things are I doubt George will get through being a witness at the court case without crumbling!
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ReplyDeleteFacebook has yet another TA group - The Alice Carter Appreciation Society.
No comment!
My comment has to be simplistic
DeleteI am Pro Alice:-
She was NOT driving so did not cause the actual accident which sent Mick's car crashing into the bridge and into The AM.
Also, how bombastic and nasty Justin is as to her place in The Stables. Granted he only knows the facts of that night, but he seems to have forgotten the phrase in Law - a person is Innocent until proven Guilty!
There is still so much to develope, as to this situation and I for one do not have an iota of an idea, as to how it will end up.
And to think that I vowed to never comment as to TA happenings ever here again! 🤣
DeleteNever say never Miriam 🤭
DeleteSo *was* George ringing for help at the end of the programme?
ReplyDeleteYes I think he was.
DeleteBut who ?
It’s a good cliffhanger, isn’t it? I’m veering between the best option (Usha) and the worst (a hitman). Except I don’t think George would be likely to have a phone no. for either - and both would need serious payment.
DeleteIncidentally, George seems to have become the village ‘go to’ for video and web commissions, and is proving to be a competent, creative and reliable workma. ‘Lovely” is how Lillian described his promotional video for her Cantering On event.
I wonder if he was phoning Brad.
DeleteMaybe Ed who so far appears to know little if anything of the true situation with George 🤔
ReplyDeleteMy instinct is that it might be some connection to the Vince meat outfit thefts, or the similar nefarious going’s on with intimidating Jolene.
DeleteOoh good thinking Mrs P 👏🏻
DeleteI stupidly left the ‘who’ out of my question at 9.13 last night. So yes Mrs P. - the question is WHO was George phoning.
ReplyDeleteNote to self : read what I have written before clicking Publish. 😟
Could it be Oliver?? He”s not in this week’s cast list but it’s not unknown for actors to be to be omitted in order to maintain suspense.
ReplyDeleteAnother possible theory!
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DeleteThe most ingenious theory I’ve read has George phoning Bartleby’s new owner because he urgently needs to talk things through with his only non-judgmental, non-exhortional listener. My instinct is that it’s someone more local, though he wouldn’t get far without someone spotting him and registering his bag, however circuitous the route he took - in real life, that is!
DeleteWhen Bridge Farm was having a staffing crisis yesterday, I didn’t hear Adam mentioned. Is he no longer working there, or did I miss something?
ReplyDeleteMaryellen, I heard Pat (?) say that Adam was off to France soon.
ReplyDeleteOh thanks, Mistral! I realise the point of that episode wasn't a Bridge Farm staffing crisis as such, but to make George's unexplained absence even more awkward for his parents., on top of their pressing worries about the George situation.
DeleteWill and Emma are weaving a tangled web of lies. Explaining all that away is going to be difficult.
ReplyDeleteYes, at this rate they are likely to be as culpable as George himself for concealing the truth.
DeleteThey have already potentially perverted the course of justice by taking George to the police station knowing that he was going to tell a lie.
DeleteAll I want is for Alice to be found "Not Guilty" as to the charges for which she will be standing trial for.
DeleteWhatever repurcussions George, Emma + Will, will then face, then that is their problem for trying to do this cover-up, without thinking about Alice and her situation.
Hopefully this trial will not happen, but still feel it might.
Tee Hee. Posted this on the wrong TA site..but won't delete it, as these are my thoughts! 🤣😆
DeleteCongratulations on your GCSE, Emma! How did you manage to fit it in around setting up and training for a new business, as well as your other work and domestic commitments? Bags of physical and intellectual energy, strong self-motivation and loads of natural talent, I guess. Open University on the horizon? College lecturer is my dream for you.
ReplyDeleteChanging the subject, whatever Ed's reaction to the news about George, he could well remember his own (and Jazzer's) very dodgy youth. He was lucky to escape conviction then, and similarly the more recent episode when he became involved with an illegal chemicals outfit. Oliver rescued Ed from his early downward spiral and restored his morale. Will history repeated itself and Oliver rescue George?
The Grundy always seem to be needing to be rescued - as ME says, usually by Oliver. I’d like to hear from Clarrie again, presumably she is being kept right out in the picture regarding George’s activities but surely she must know about the crash and his presumed heroics? What would ‘Gramma’ have to say - or Eddie come to that?
ReplyDeleteJust listened and I think it might be Susan’s criminal brother that George has turned to and is now bringing home.
ReplyDeleteCan’t remember his name.
I hope I’m wrong !
ReplyDeleteReal cliffhanger tonight, I hope our curiosity is satisfied tomorrow
ReplyDeleteIf it is, Susan and Neil will (probably) go nuts, also Tracy. The scales are ready to fall from all their eyes. I think Susan will be especially upset with Emma shielding George, as she herself went to gaol for protecting the criminal brother.
ReplyDeleteI wish she would tell Ed pronto, he is going to be so hurt at being left out, and her colluding with Will. Perhaps a tip off to Crime Stoppers is the answer. Is that organisation still going?
ReplyDeleteI think some of you are thinking of Clive Horobin, Susan’s criminal brother for whom she went to jail.
ReplyDeleteI think it more likely to be Bartleby and it could have been the woman who bought him that George was phoning the other night. Perhaps he told her the ‘wonder horse’ was needed to parade at the village fete or something like that, but really needs him to give George a feeling of comfort and friendship before his upcoming ordeal.
The reasons listeners have given for it being Bartleby that Ceorge went see, are:
ReplyDelete1. He wanted to “get things straight” by talking his feelings through with non-judgmental Bartleby as he used to do
2. He wanted to give Bartleby a last pat in case the ageing horse died while George was in prison
3. As Archerphile says, to draw strength from his unique friendship with the horse for his coming ordeal.
Hmmm!
Wish it had been Bartleby, instead of Clive using blackmail.
ReplyDeleteEmma shouldn't be scared of blackmail, she wants/needs it to come out, but better on her terms than Clive's. She should phone Harrison, Ed, Susan right now.
DeleteI can only vaguely remember the raid on the shop, but I have a feeling that Alice was held hostage, possibly with Kate??
Well, I was completely wrong about Bartleby.
ReplyDeleteBut are the writers so short of ideas that they have to bring back a distant character, so disliked years ago, to spice up the George story?
Is it the same actor I wonder, I really can’t remember Clive’s voice and I simply don’t believe that he is a reformed character. Will it do George’s case any good if the police realise he is consorting with a known criminal, even if it is an ex-criminal?
Agree with all your questions and comments AP
DeleteHopefully we'll get a break from it this evening with cantering on and the fete.
DeleteWell that didn’t happen 🙃
DeleteIt looks like this storyline is going to dominate for some time to come.
DeleteMiriam, didn't they have a big green one of those at Chester Zoo called Mr Something or other? As I recall he was far too laid back to engage in mating, despite the generous constant provision of lady lizards to encourage him . Wasn't one the hot lizard babes called Daphne?
ReplyDeleteSarnia, I hope you don’t ind, I’ve copied and posted this comment into the other thread.
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ReplyDeleteI think that says a lot about how we are feeling about the stories at the moment
Indeed Archerfile. I'm trying to avoid moaning about it so am saying nothing.
DeleteThat's just it, Archerphile. I'm finding the sudden resurrection of Clive Horrobin (boo, hiss) completely unconvincing and a totally unnecessary addition to this storyline. What the scriptwriters need is a screensaver with MORE IS LESS permanently displayed! I'm still listening because I'm interested in the development of George's character and have high hopes for him, and because I always enjoy hearing Emma.
DeleteThere was one thing Clive said to George that resonated, though - that Alice wouldn't go to prison because "her sort" (ie. upper middle class and monied) didn't, they got off with a fine. Remembering the outcome of Brian's conviction, I thought Clive might have a point.
And on the subject of Alice, I'm also finding Lillian's gushing over her, and constant bigging up of her faintly nauseating, especially when it's at poor Carlotta's expense. Carlotta is one of Nature's stalwarts and should be treasured as such.
Must say ME - agree with you about the Clive H S/L unnecessary. Why ?
DeleteIs it to give new, younger listeners some context and or history ?
Or perhaps as a forerunner to George sliding down the slippery slope of minor criminality by following an iconic family member ?
I did notice however that George did actually question- at least in the tone of his voice - some unpleasant remark from Clive.
Like you ME, I’m interested in the development of George, so am in hope that this irritable interval will lead somewhere worthwhile.
That sounds more more positive, Mrs P! I can see that for dramatic reasons, the scriptwriters might have wanted a pivotal moment or encounter for George, but I feel there are more subtle and convincing ways of doing it than introducing George to a pantomime villain!
ReplyDeleteI thought last night's episode was good from the point of view of showing how Kate was still, all these years later, affected by the trauma of Clive's Post Office hold up. Think the episode could usefully be played as part of Restorative Justice programmes in prisons.
ReplyDeleteAnd tonight Clive behaved even more viciously to Neil. A changed man? I don’t think so!
ReplyDeleteWe witnessed another side of Neil too. I’v never heard him speak like that before.
DeletePushed to the extreme I thought, but determined to protect his family.
DeleteAnd of course, he knows full well what Clive is capable of, having experienced Susan serving time for the sake of his brother-in-law. He is no more fooled by the ‘new’ Clive than the rest of us are. (assuming none of us are fooled)
Not sure that I wanted to hear about the state of Tracy and Jazzer’s bedroom though
I reckon Clive is soon going to feel 'duty bound' to report George himself. Purely because he is a reformed, newly upstanding member of society of course, not, in any way, as a means of getting back at his family ...
DeleteMmmm !
DeleteHis threat to Neil was menacing but subtle too I thought.
The subtext being ‘ wait till you find out what your grandson has done ‘
However, whatever George has done it’s a drop in the ocean compared to Clive’s past crimes.
But if your correct OwiaS where will that leave George, deceived and betrayed by the one person he felt he could trust.
A life lesson painfully learned, which might ease him into further criminal activity.
(Just pondering!). For years I’ve wondered why I find Neil so unexciting. I think it’s because he lacks imagination. George gets his imagination as well as his verbal fluency, from his grandmother Susan and grandfather Eddie. Excitement may not be what every listener wants from Neil, of course.
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DeleteIt’s Neil’s thoughtful and steady, gentle but firm delivery that I find attractive.
DeleteHe is a very good foil for Susan
I am still waiting for Jazzer meeting Clive.
DeleteI very much doubt Clive has gone.
DeleteHe has lost his only hold - when he threatened again to expose George, Emma said she didn’t care. That was a significant shift, I thought. But did she really mean it or was she just carried away and is now regretting it?
DeleteAs I have said else-where, Clive was looking for the tenancy agreement between Dad Bert and Sister Tracy, as to No#6 The Green with the housing association. This is to find out if Dad Bert Horrobin can transfer his part of the tenancy to his son named as Clive Horrobin!
DeleteI think Clive's search for the tenancy agreement was bloggers' speculation. When challenged by Neil, Clive said he was looking for Kylie's address. Not that Clive is a model of truthfulness, but from the way he's been harping on about her, it does seem more likely.
DeleteThough I can't help thinking the bedroom is an unlikely place to find either!
Obviously my speculation is totally wrong + ridiculous also! Oh well, I did try again to give my thoughts and idea here once again.
DeleteThanks ME for clarifying that my thoughts and idea re just ridiculous speculation!
DeleteI just thought I would try to give my TA thoughts here, once again.
A mistake.
Not a mistake Miriam
DeleteYour post means that I’ve now got to know what others on SM think (speculate ) about TA - I wouldn’t know if you had not posted that.
On a different note, what is Mia going to study at Newcastle ?
I caught what she said about class / lectures on the beach.
My granddaughter is doing Marine Science at Newcastle and she tells me the best bit is being on the boat doing lab work.
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DeleteHang on, Miriam, I didn't mean it was ridiculous, just that it was speculation, not a known fact. I've read it on a couple of blogs and, given Clive's reputation, it seems a reasonable assumption, though I still think what he said was probably true. My first thought was that he was having a general snoop. His description of Jazzer's underwear dropped on the floor reminded me of Tracy's comments on Jazzer's less lovable habits!
DeleteThat’s a good speculation Miriam as Clive keeps banging on about he has nowhere to live and he would love to lord it over Tracy and Jazzer or even throw them out. A tenancy can only pass twice w I believe, was mum on it? Also things are so different now that secure tenancies are very rare so the house may just be required to be vacated completely 🤔
ReplyDeleteI think I said - many weeks ago, when Chris was bothered about the fact that Alice had a bottle of fruit cider in the car and couldn’t understand why - that hopefully at some point Joy would remember that she sold only a bottle of Vodka to Alice that night, and a bottle of fruit cider to George that same evening or afternoon.
ReplyDeleteThank you SWs !
Will Susan or Neil tell Christopher that?
DeleteThe long wait for Joy to remember is over! . Five million listeners can relax. Although there isn't any actual proof as yet that the bottle Joy sold to George and the bottle in Alice's car are one and the same....
DeleteNevertheless Maryellen we must hope we are at least on the way now.
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DeleteIt’s going to be a race between Team Grundy getting George to the police station to confess, and Team Carter (including Alice) putting two and two.together to make four I’m backing the Grundys.
DeleteIf the police are informed about George buying the cider, they could test it for fingerprints I suppose.
DeleteAnyway, looks like we have now reached the begining of the end of this story.
Does anyone believe that evil Clive has really just gone away, after Emma’s rant?
I thought Mia said he’d gone?
DeleteI don’t believe Clive has gone.
DeleteI do believe it’s likely that he will be back.
This is too good an opportunity for TA to pass up, and it could go on being a thorn in the side of the Horrobin family for ever.
I haven't got any evidence either way apart from Mia's remark to Brad, so don't have an opinion on whether Clive will go or tarry - but I'm puzzled as to why he hasn't been listed in any cast list I've seen, and I'm not sure what this betokens. I'd have thought the actor (or his agent) wouldn't have been happy about the continuing omission. I half-wondered if one of the existing cast was doubling up....?
DeleteOh that’s interesting, you may be right about a current member of the cast doubling up.
DeleteI wonder ?
I don't think the village will be too harsh on George when the truth is made public. Saving the cricket team for future glory will count strongly in his favour. And noone points a finger at Freddie for his drug dealing ('stupid', Elizabeth always called it, never 'wrong').
ReplyDeleteIf the Police are informed and find out that Will and Emma knew that George was driving the car they could be in trouble for perverting the course of justice.
ReplyDeleteSo by not telling Ed they are effectively protecting him from the same charge? Nice!
DeleteA very touching episode with Mia and Brad this evening.
DeleteA very gentle episode.
A thoughtful, selfless Brad wanting Mia to make the most of her opportunities without him potentially holding her back.
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DeleteHail Susan! After tonight's episode, the moral compass and practical intelligence of the Carter family.....
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DeleteWow! Congrats to all actors involved in the Thursday episode. Now for the fallout 🙁
DeleteOnly 12 contributors for the whole total of posts this blog - so far
ReplyDeleteAt least it will spare the Aldridges the expense of further hypnotherapy sessions!
ReplyDeleteShe might still need therapy to sort through the inevitable angst as she realises that her alcoholism has resulted in George facing a lot of trauma, and at such a young age. Maybe Brian could pay for some for George and Emma as well. I too thought it was very well acted.
ReplyDeleteSusan was right about Emma not thinking about the fallout on Keira - of whom we hear very little.
ReplyDeleteEmma knew what it was like having a Mum in prison and Keira could be facing the same if Emma is prosecuted for perverting the course of justice.
I have to congratulate the SWs and the actors on a very dramatic and intense episode. Even I, who can’t usually stand George, experienced a moment of sympathy when he was crying to be protected while at the same time despising him. Good acting!
And I must add that I think Neil also has moral compass and practical intelligence and often sorts out problems within the family. I think that he and Susan are equally blessed with those qualities
Susan is quicker-witted than Neil and has more initiative, as demonstrated last night. Given listeners' high expectations of him, I felt Neil was rather disappointing. On this occasion at least, Susan was the family master mind..
DeleteGoing off at a tangent, a listener on another blog r claimed recently that when 16-year-old Neil arrived in Ambridge he had a history of juvenile crime. My book simply says he arrived in 1973 as part of a 'new entrant' farming apprentice scheme. So what was that about leopards and spots?????
Susan had to take control as Emma is her daughter.
DeleteNeil did the best thing possible, as to not giving his own thoughts + opinions re George at that time.
I’ve now listened to last night’s episode three times in order to take in the intensity and the nuance of those deep conversations.
ReplyDeleteAnd of course I agree with all other comments of congratulation for both the script writing and the acting from all four characters.
The fall out of it isn't going to be pretty.
ReplyDeleteAll I want is to hear the reactions from Ed + Harrison.
DeleteYou were right there, CC! Thank goodness for Mia - i liked her positivity in her conversation with Will and George at the end, Will's too. It was a clever dramatic contrast with the earlier scenes between Emma and Ed and her parents. I thought her acting was stunning.
DeleteThat's Emma's acting I was admiring. I think she's one of TA's best.
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DeleteI have no sympathy nor empathy for George now. I would have had, if he had told all to begin with, but it is now too late for me..
ReplyDeleteI so know want to hear the thoughts from others in Ambridge, of which there will be many ready to have their say.
..be they justified or not.
DeleteAnother impressive episode well done to everyone I was rivited ⭐️
ReplyDeleteI believe I mentioned a while ago that I came across on YouTube a visual podcast “All about The Archers” also available just in audio. They have a Facebook page and sell some merchandise. Phillipa is the lead and Quentin the only male plus two other ladies. Some times all on together and at others a smaller mix. Weekly but after Fridays episode an extraordinary edition was posted straight away to discuss and all over the moon at the script and acting! Also an actor or actors join them from time to time for a special and that is so interesting. Recently Tim Bentnick did so and it was a great hour. He pondered when the sw decided to make David boring etc and gave examples of when he was not. Also said how he like us misses so many of the once featured regulars but guess it must be budget. No retainers paid only the episode’s you are in so in the end no matter the content you are given if it highlights your character then happy days so to speak. The very latest is “Elizabeth” -played for 40yrs byAlison Dowling which I have only just started. to watch/listen to.
PS followers from the Facebook page can pose questions to the featured actor and these are asked towards the end of the chat…
ReplyDeleteThis sounds really interesting Lady R, I shall go and find it. I have started listening to podcasts recently whilst jigsaw-ing and this would be the perfect accompaniment.
DeleteLady R - I did note your previous post about this YouTube channel but didn’t look it up.
DeleteI have now done so and watched the emergency episode.
Very good, and I shall watch the others over time.
Thank you very much for posting again and reminding us about this content.
So another twist in the story, but not unexpected.
ReplyDeleteAt some point George will open up or make a formal complaint about this evening’s encounter and Harrison will as predicted …… somewhere ( ? ) ……. lose his job.
It strikes me that Harrison Burns isn't fit to be either a parent or a policeman, given his tendency to violent outbursts, first his threatening verbal attack on Alice and now his ferocious verbal physical assault on George. Verging on the unhinged if you ask me, and no excuse for either. Poor Fallon, who owes her life to George - Harrison would do well to remember that. George could so easily have scarpered from the scene undetected, but didn't.
DeleteOn the plus side, Alice has gone up slightly in my estimation for freely admitting her share of responsibility for what happened that evening. She could yet face a charge of being over the limit and unfit to be in charge of a vehicle with access to keys, of which she is undeniably guilty. That would be just, but could listeners take yet another twist in this long-drawn-out storyline?
I think his outbursts are due to his deep sense of grief at losing a much longed for child. He and Fallon need to recognise that, and they need to separate so that he can find someone who also wants a family. When he and Alice seemed to be hugging after their talking about being friends again I did wonder if it might be the beginning of an affair. If so, poor Chris.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Janice, regarding Harrison.
DeleteOf course he was distraught about Fallon loosing the pregnancy and the fact that she has made it plain she doesn’t want to be a parent must have made it worse. The problems at work, and with his boss, have all added to the burden he carries.
I cant understand why they didn’t thrash out the subject of parenthood properly before they married. They cannot carry on like this. Fallon will have her new business at the charging station to occupy her soon and Harrison needs to find a less stressful and responsible occupation before he is dismissed from the police force.
And poor Fallon....
ReplyDeleteIt is all going as expected, with so much more to come. I am riveted.
ReplyDeleteThe more I hear of George being pathetically ‘frit’, as Mrs Thatcher used to say, the more I despise him. Sorry to anyone who thinks he is just a poor misunderstood teenager with a difficult childhood, but he puts me in mind of the 12 yr old youngster on trial yesterday for taking part in the riots. At least George has a mother and family that love him….that poor kids mother went on holiday instead of supporting him in court. 😡
ReplyDeleteTo be honest Archerfile, I'm so fed up with this storyline going on and on to the exclusion of nearly everything else that I can't sum up the energy to work out what I think about any of it.
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DeleteImo, Harrison and Brian both owe George an apology for their threatening words and behaviour. They are far from being role model themselves, and whatever the cause of them "seeing red" and attacking him, it's a totally indefensible way to handle their feelings.
ReplyDeleteAlso imo, there are interesting parallels between the Neil/ George and Brian/Alice relationships and subsequent events. Both men are reaping what they sowed, however inadvertently - Neil's self-confessed,dislike of George (felt by George and registered by Emma who responded by over-compensating George), and Brian's over-indulgence and excessive expectations of Alice plus the effect on her of his affair with Siobhan.
In both cases, it has resulted in a damaged self image, with lowered self-esteem and feelings of insecurity and inadequacy, leading to negative behaviours especially when the pressure mounts. My heart went out to George when he said "I messed up, it's what I do" (or words to that effect!)
Neil is doing what he can with words to restore George's sense of self-worth and hope for the future., and no doubt the rest of George's family will follow suit. Brian's money and Lilian's partisanship will cushion Alice's future.
I wasn't impressed by Tony's attitude either. The sooner people start remembering George's positive qualities (including heroically risking his own life to save Fallon from death) the better. Better still when they start helping him to rebuild it.
I don't think that Emma's George can do no wrong attitude has helped. She should have been trying to help him cope with things when they do go wrong.
DeleteI still can't fathom Will out, who also has kept that secret.
DeleteAmbridge seems to be full of unllikeable men at the moment!
ReplyDeleteHow naive is Will..as to be so surprised as to that he is now an
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DeleteI just feel for Eddie + Clarrie, as to will they have a Grange Farm Christmas Turkey business this year, or will their income from this enterprise become zero this year...
ReplyDeleteI am worried for them.
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DeleteWill mentioned the turkeys briefly last week - it sounded as if the process of raising this year’s crop was underway.
DeleteWith the prison situation as it currently is, I can't see any of the Grundys getting custodial sentences.
ReplyDeleteAh, but don’t forget this is Borsetshire where nothing follows the national trend!
DeleteI will be disgusted if Alice gets off scot free while the Grundys suffer in the name of justice!
DeleteI have thought all along that the whole idea of Alice driving to a quiet place to drink herself comatose is a bit silly. OK for her to 'hide' her car keys from herself, but how long would she need to sit in the car before she was sober enough to drive? I know someone who was brethalysed the day following a binge, he was still over the limit. The obvious thing to do would be to book in at a budget motel, surely.
ReplyDeleteI didn’t understand that either.. Why didn’t she just go home? I assumed she couldn’t wait that long to start on the vodka and the lay-by was en route. She may have been over the limit when she bought it, and she would have still been over the limit when she recovered enough to drive home from the lay-by next morning.
DeleteWell played, Tom - both as an employer and a human being! Your handling of the meeting with Emma was pitch perfect, and left me confident that you would handle the even more difficult meeting between Emma and Fallon with an equally positive result. How different from Adam's appalling attitude!.
ReplyDeleteEnter Ian with his humanity as large as Adams mean spirited attitudes are small, who is likely to explain to Adam how they would feel about Zander (a ? ) a few years down the line if he were to do something as dishonest as that which George has done, and how they might too be reluctant to own up in similar circumstances.
DeleteOf course we are also being manipulated into believing that yet again here we have the entitled Aldridge family thinking only of their own predicament in this scenario, and displaying Alice as a victim of her alcoholism not the author.
I find it interesting that Alice herself gets ever closer to seeing her own culpability in her apparent victim hood, while her family gets left behind in their thinking. But then that is I suppose the evidence of her therapy having some effect on her but not of course on them.
It also occurred to me this evening that Tom has done some growing up.
His conversation and approach to Emma was way superior to his previous attempts at solicitude with others. Where has he left his previous cack handed attempts at being sympathetic ?
The new Tom full on bonhomie and compassion!
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