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maryellenSeptember 17, 2025 at 5:52 PM
ReplyDeleteVeteran scriptwriter Keri Davies memorably said:
"If you didn't hear about it, it didn't happen",
so no pact between the twins for Lily to take all the blame, which means no letting Freddie of this particular hook.
I agree he's picked up something about basic management and communication skills at Casey Meats - I thought he was good with newly-employed Rochelle - but it scarcely equates with the personal skills and knowledge required to run a more complex operation like Lower Loxley. Perhaps he'll succeed with or without a partner, perhaps he'll sell the house and/or business....
(Is it just me or has he begun to sound rather patronising?)
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MiriamSeptember 17, 2025 at 5:54 PM
A general remark only.
I am not sure what has just happened. I was just giving my individual opinion, which I admit can be a bit different, but then we all listen + interpret TA in differing ways
As such I will now do what I've had to do before, and that is step back for a short time on this page. I will continue on the general page, if OK as + when.
It's best for me + all the other contributers that I do this.
Yes I feel bad so need to 🤐 + be 🤬
JaniceSeptember 17, 2025 at 8:54 PM
ReplyDeleteI don't know why you feel bad Miriam. We do all interpret things differently but that is fine, and seeing things as others see them can sometimes make for a shift in perspective.
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AmbridgesMrsPSeptember 17, 2025 at 9:01 PM
Don’t think that’s necessary Miriam and I agree with your post of 3.41 today, and disagree with Maryellen. Learning skills on the job is just as valid ( if not more so ) as obtaining paper qualifications, and most skills are transferable.
I think it’s possible that Freddie might go further than his twin, even though she is the one who has always appeared to be brighter, because Freddie has persistence and a flexible and lighter attitude to life. Lily is far more rigid in many ways.
You have started my day off with a chuckle KPnuts, and brought back a memory of some one who loved horses. He entered his heavy horse into the local agricultural show and won first prize but admitted his was the only entry in the Shires category. The horse usually led the village carnival procession.
ReplyDeleteThe food looks yummy, plus a great action shot. Well done that family!
Scrumptious display! Jill Archer would be envious.
ReplyDeleteis it me, or did Jim sound older and frailer than usual in Wednesday's episode?
ReplyDeleteNo KP - not just you. I heard the same.
DeleteHe sounded rather stilted, I thought, as if the actor was just reading through the script.
DeleteI thought he sounded both frail + different. I wondered, like the late June Spencer and now Jill, his input was recorded elsewhere and not in the studio. This might explain why it sounded a bit stilted.
DeleteJust an idea.
I wondered about that too. It was mainly one-to-one, fairly low key conversation, which would lend itself to out of studio recording if the actor couldn’t get there.
DeleteMe too OWIAS.
DeleteOoo, yum KP! The only time I won anything at our local F & P show was for my onions, which that year were absolutely huge. We had only moved to the village that year and there were a lot of complaints from the usual winners that I didn’t qualify to enter. But they had been grown in the village, using our chicken muck as fertiliser, they were just jealous that a woman had beaten them to the prize!
ReplyDeleteThat was like Stella winning something the first year she moved into The Bungalow after Bert died. Wasn't there a hint that she only won as to what Bert had planted and how he manured + nutured his ground? It rings a bell in some way.
Delete“ I’ll fight him and I’ll win, if it’s the last thing I do ! “
ReplyDeleteBrian’s words might be prophetic, is this a clue to his eventual demise ?
Or as to my alternative thinking (which all know is very different) - it's just a TA red herring as far too obvious..😵💫
DeleteThere haven’t been many feel good moments that I recall in TA recently so it was a treat to hear Ruairi and Paul’s mutual happiness after their night together. They have agreed it was just the one night, but that would make it the shortest storyline ever, so I suspect there’s more drama to come!
ReplyDeleteRather than Brian's demise I think it could be the build up to the battle for Home Farm.
ReplyDeleteAnd if Ruairi and Paul develop a long term relationship then Ruairi would have another reason to put down roots at Home Farm, and Brian might prefer to hand over the reins to Ruairi rather than Adam.
ReplyDeleteThey worked amicably together on the seed orders and Brian trusted him enough to let him continue on his own while he visited Alice, and I don't think he and Ruairi would rub each other up the same way as he and Adam do. Ruairi is probably capable of gentle persuasion as his charm has been mentioned before.
DeleteIf Ruairi and Paul's relationship developed it would be an added reason for Ruairi to want to leave London permanently, and if Brian's health breaks down so he had to step back then he could still be involved and feel useful because Ruairi, at least initially, would need a lot of advice. I remember how when Brian was trying to persuade Jenny to care for the four year old Ruairi he finally made it quite clear he would choose Ruairi over Jenny and leave with him. In the same way I think he will choose to back Ruairi over Adam and the others, possibly with the exception of Alice.
Just musing, but as we don't hear much from Ian lately it would have been nice to have someone with an Irish accent in the programme. The original child actor came from Dublin and Siobhan's accent sounded a southern one so it would in any case be different from Ian's northern Irish one, and even though Ruairi after about 4 was brought up in Ambridge his visits to his Irish family would have kept something of his accent alive.
DeleteI think any accent Ruairi inherited from his Irish family was knocked out of him at boarding school (wasn’t it Sherborne, Brian’s old school?) Shame!
DeleteI gather Brian’s pre-2008 will split the farm between Debbie and Adam, with Kate and Alice each getting a cottage plus a lump sum. In 2008, Brian altered the two way split to a three way split between Debbie, Adam and Ruairi. His recent conversation with Alice about becoming more involved with the farm poses quite a few questions. She was right to defer her answer.
I would think he changed his will after Jenny died, so who knows what it contains now.
DeleteHopefully it won't be as strange as Peggy's which still hasn't been sorted.
What's happening as to the holiday along the natural "thing" whatever it is meant to be, to be done in the Rewilding site.
Hopefully the contents of Brian's will won't be known for quite awhile yet.
I wonder if he has a Power of Attorney set up, which might be more relevant in the meantime.
I didn't know that about courgettes, not sure I want to grow them again!
DeleteI thought the Amber/Susan exchange was very powerful with its imagery . Amber was so keen on making Susan promise not to tell George what she revealed that just for a second I wondered if she was making it up, but she did sound genuine.
I think she was making it up and unless George confirms it will continue to do so. My first impression of Amber remains - when she verbally attacked Emma in the prison car park. When Emma apologised, thinking she was George's prison officer, he said nah, she's short and ugly.
DeleteI’m with BASIA - that first impression has stuck with me too.
DeleteAny niceness we have heard from Amber since then has added to her character but has not diminished that initial impression.
I have yet to listen to last night’s programme.
I was starting to do a U-turn as to my thoughts about Amber, due to how she talked with Brad and what she said
DeleteNow, I've reverted back to my original thoughts.
As for the dream, was it?
Perhaps George did say that he had "nightmares" but not meant literally, thinking about and inagining what Fallon went through trapped I'm the car.
Amber has twisted this to suit her own agenda, whatever this is.
To add. How I wish that Amber could read the Victim Impact statements that were part of George's sentence hearing, as written/spoken by Alice × Fallon.
DeleteSusan just needs to turn up at Will's for the home coming event for George. She + Neil have a right to be there to see their grandson again. Will is the host not Amber and even she surely, won't show herself up in front of George's family which she's (hopefully) marrying into, by telling them to leave as not welcome.
ReplyDeleteWho knows George might be pleased to see them in his home rather than in prison.
Also it is Susan's birthday so why shouldn't she be with daughter Emma, grandson George + granddaughter Keira?
..not forgetting best friend Clarrie
DeleteWell Pink Teddy Bear Brian + Floppy Rabbit Justin, are still throwing their playthings out of the toy box. They need Andy Pandy + Looby Lou, better known as Martyn + Miranda to try +sort them out.
ReplyDeleteI wish you were writing the scripts Miriam.
ReplyDeleteI’ve now listened to Sunday and tonight’s episode back to back.
ReplyDeleteAmber ?
A right cock and bull story.
Don’t believe a word of it !
It’s all her own imagination, and to suit her agenda as Miriam says.
I say again Maryellen….she’s a nasty piece of work.
Is that what you would like her to be, Mrs P? Judging by the other TA sites I’ve seen, you wouldn’t be alone!
DeleteI'm curious to know if scriptwriters ever read archers blogs and if they ever let themselves be influenced by listeners opinions, and do they sometimes do the complete opposite just to confound us.
DeleteNot a case of what I would like her to be ME, but certainly my instinct of what she is.
DeleteIf your comment suggests that you lump me in with a group of others, and that sounds detrimental, that would be unusual since I often stand alone in my opinions, however in this opinion, then let it be so.
I’ve done an awful lot of living !
Janice - that’s a subject I often ponder upon.
Sorry, Mrs P, my post wasn’t intended to be detrimental. I know you are a strong-minded woman of independent views. I was thinking generally about audiences’ perceived need for a ‘pantomime villains’ to boo and hiss, and how this related to TA characters and the ways in which the scriptwriters depicted them and listeners reacted via social media. I think the scriptwriters mostly do a good job of avoiding the black and white characterisation of pantomime and giving us characters of several shades of grey, varying from dove to charcoal sometimes in
Deletethe same episode!
The only "Pantomime Villan" recently has to be Lawrence. I personally don't see how this label relates to any others at the moment.
DeleteJustin? George? Personally, I 'like' them both, but they attract a lot of hissing and booing from other FB contributors.
DeleteAmber made Chelsea grovel and then graciously accepted her apology. She won't apologise to Susan and Neil, they are the guilty "grandparents who betrayed him and that's what broke him". George apologised to Kenton, why does he feel betrayed? Like Brad, I told Amber not to go to Turkey if she doesn't want to, she broke down and accepted his advice, she's still going but not to have her teeth done. On the one hand she feels very entitled on the other insecure and she projects it onto others. I don't like the way she is but wish her no harm.
ReplyDeleteI think that Amber believing that she's the saviour of George says it all. She's a very conflicted and insecure young lady and believing that makes her feel better about herself.
ReplyDeleteI also see another aspect of Amber which does concern me too.
ReplyDeleteShe sees Neil and Susan who ( who appear to her ) to have betrayed George.
One : does this equate with her appearing to see her own parents as not supporting her ?
Two : she has never once seen George as a culprit for having committed the crime of deliberately removing Alice from the passenger seat to the drivers seat, thereby falsifying evidence. In the process of so doing, he put Alice in the position of being responsible for the accident, when in fact he was actually driving the car which caused the accident.
It is almost as if, to her, nothing happened prior to the ‘ crime’ as she sees of Neil and Susan telling the truth.
The accident itself, or the fallout that resulted from George’s actions.
Whatever else she has done, be it nice or nasty, Amber has a very warped sense of right and wrong/ good and bad.
And for the record, whatever I may think about her, I agree with others, she is a very insecure young woman and is certainly in need of help, though from what source I have no idea.
But I do hope that some form of help is lurking in the background somewhere, possibly in the locked drawer of a scriptwriter.
I sometime think, rightly or more likely wrongly, that Amber has had some sort of breakdown or similar, in the past due to problems + rejection in her life.
DeleteTo counteract this, she formed a fake person + facade which she hides behind, as this how she feels is the only way to get over her inadaquateces she still feels.
With George she has found her hunky hero who to her, has done no wrong and worships her and his hers + hers alone. Plus she has her followers, who love her apparantly.
She's definitely hiding a lot.
That's my newest thoughts but I still like my - being brought up in foster care idea, so no loving family.
Sorry a few typo
Delete..he's her + hers alone...
If I may, I have an idea as to a possible future S/L.
ReplyDeleteIF Justin does sell his shares, then Vince buys some.
Why? - As a local business owner he wants quality meat for his abbatoir + butchery enterprise, so why not get involved with arable produce which might help with this...
Yes it is bit far fetched but totally ridiculous?
To add I have written this elsewhere, so soke will have already seen this.
DeleteThat idea makes sense Miriam.
DeleteI wonder why Brian is so concerned about the possibility of the shares being sold, because if sold, presumably as arable land, then Home Farm will be able to continue its contract work. Justin can buy more land to do his conservation thing, and have enough money left over to retire and concentrate on his project.
So agree Janice. Justin selling his shares is by far the best scenario and for the reasons so well explained.
DeleteI wonder if Ruiari will work his magic with Stella. I feel he had intended trying to because he sounded surprised the interview was so soon but recovered himself and congratulated her on getting the interview.
ReplyDeleteYes he, Ruari, has inherited his fathers charm hasn’t he.
DeleteI agree he was about to mention it, but pulled himself up.
But he might find another occasion to try again.
I would have thought Ruairi’s charm comes from his Irish family who he spent his early years with and still visits. I’ve never noticed anything charming about Brian Aldridge, even when he’s trying it on! It
DeleteThe only way Stella would even consider going back to Home Farm is that Brian has no input at all. This could make her The Boss, working alongside another member of the family whi will be in a consultancy position.
ReplyDeleteShe did this with the drill after talking about it with Adam, even though he had no real say but saw the real potential.
That's how interpret this at the moment.
DeleteYou're right Miriam, it's just been confirmed by Ruairi and Stella. She's hesitant about the new job and IF she worked again at Home Farm she'd be close to Pip and Cleo. Let's see how she gets on at the interview on Friday.
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ReplyDeleteWouldn’t she be a Chief without any Indians? Unless Ruairi takes on the role of farmhand similar to Adam’s job at Bridge Farm. It surprises me that Ambridge doesn’t seem to have any other full time farmhands now, just casual workers and part timers, like Will doing the veg box deliveries. Gone are the days of Bert Fry and Sammy Whipple!
DeleteBrilliantly done Ruairi, and genuine in his caring about Brian I think. All we need now is for there to be something about the other job that doesn't appeal to Stella.
ReplyDeleteI've lost both my mothers, I don't want to lose you too. If that doesn't play on Brian's heartstrings nothing will.
DeleteI bet she gets offered it and it really appeals so has to decide. Will it be head or heart?
DeleteHang on, Ruairi! Have you done your sums? You are proposing to increase the salary bill for permanent staff from two to three at a time when Brian is demanding cuts in expenditure in order to cope with Home Farm’s current financial crisis. And what about Brian’s pension arrangements?
DeleteI wonder if Brian would consider selling his BL shares. He doesn't have as many as Justin who is the major shareholder and Justin said the sale of his would make millions, but it would no doubt still be a sizeable sum.
DeleteAnother financial consideration for Brian is that he doesn't own a property and has rent to pay.
DeleteAll I can say after tonight's episode is that, I'm glad Dane isn't doing a room inspection on my bedroom, as the bedside lights can never be called dust free. 🫣
ReplyDeleteI would have failed the inspection long before the bedside lights!
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ReplyDeleteI wonder what Brian’s ideal post retirement scenario is now, bearing in mind his previous overture to Alice. That was before Ruairi’s ‘road to Damascus’ moment of course, when he still seemed destined for a life in the City. The overture may have been forgotten by both of them now Ruairi has taken centre stage, and Alice has all but fallen out with her father - I have never heard her speak so sharply to him before except when drunk.
ReplyDeleteI don’t know if a hired manager is still part of Brian’s thinking, not necessarily Stella although mastermind Ruairi suggested Brian would feel more comfortable about retiring if she could be tempted back to Home Farm. Sadly, I fear Brian will dispense with Adam once Ruairi has found his feet and become the new young Brian. I’d rather Brian dispensed with the hired manager, whoever that turns out to be,,unless the business expanded enough under Ruairi to accommodate both Adam and a hired manager.
Interesting listening!
I wonder if Brian has taken into account Labours new tax on family farms which is preventing them being handed down the generations and causing such upset. I don’t know all the rules but if Brian is keen for a family member to take on directorship he’d better take sound advice. And quickly, if predictions do his demise are correct.
ReplyDeleteHe would be liable for £2.5 million in inheritance tax according to the calculations for each of the four Ambridge farms in an article in the Telegraph which I came across when I googled the topic. Grange Farm, which is only 40 acres, would be under the £1 million tax threshold so Oliver would be okay. I’m not sure what measures Brian has or hasn’t taken to alleviate the situation, but he should at least be aware of it because it was discussed in The Bull last year, so it’s on Ambridge’s radar.
DeleteOr rather, Oliver’s daughter Eleanor would be okay!
DeleteOne would hope Grange Farm would be okay but I thought it isn't only the land they value, but that they take into account farmhouse (often large rambling old places) and all farmyard equipment and stock as well. I suppose though the animals and any equipment would belong to Ed and Eddie rather than Oliver. We aren't supposed to get political in these blogs so I will go and chuck some tins hard at the recycling bin instead! 😉
DeleteHistorical footnote: in 1986 Phil Archer had to sell 50 acres from Willow Farm to pay the inheritance tax following his father Dan’s death in April that year. That’s what Peter Hesketh’s Chronology of The Archers says, but I’m puzzled by the date because the Inheritance Act of 1984 introduced the Agricultural Relief Policy exempting farmers from paying inheritance tax. Maybe it hadn’t come into force yet when Dan died.....
DeleteKnown as Agricultural Property Relief (APR).
DeleteOh no, not Bartleby! I can’t bear it!
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DeleteMeg said without doing expensive tests they couldn't tell exactly what was wrong with Bartleby. I wonder if by any chance Amber might cancel her holiday to Turkey, and/or also use the money saved by not having her teeth done, to pay for the tests.
ReplyDeleteThe big party may not happen either if George wants to go straight to be with Bartleby.
She said she was visiting George today so I suspect some decisions will be made then.
DeleteI suppose it's too much to hope that it's just a case of worms causing the loss of weight. Presumably the Meg would deworm her horses regularly.
ReplyDeleteI think that the reason Bartleby went to Meg's was due to his health. It was something to do with his digestion and arthritis along with George and the Grundy's not being able to afford the meds needed and special diet supplements.
DeleteGeorge knew that this was the only way to give him the best life he deserved.
Thanks Miriam- I was intending to ask someone to remind me why Bartleby had to leave.
DeleteNow you have reminded me.
This was why when Amber said to Emma how sad George was to say "Good-bye" to Bartleby, she said it was when he accepted he was off to prison.
DeleteGeorge certainly might have had that in his mind but his main concern was that Bartlehy was leaving, so when would he see him again.
Amber seems to have put a different slant on why he said what he did.
Your last sentence Miriam…. That’s what she always does….. puts her own interpretation on what is said in order to suit her own agenda.
DeleteNow poor Stella - having to make a decision about which choice to make.
But….. then she might not have to make that decision between the two offers, she might just plump for the new opportunity, sticking to her previous decision to leave Home Farm for ever.
Brian was talking to Stella as if she was his own daughter, but she isn't and if she came back, she'd have to face the lot of them. Until today, I was hoping for her to go back and I think she might do and regret it. Brian hasn't even discussed it with Alice whom he asked to step in and she sounded keen, but not just yet. What if Brian died, what would happen to her then? Why should she run a family business? Mind you, when she said she had the offer Pip was not enthusiastic.
ReplyDeleteSay NO, now, Stella!! Don't for a moment let yourself be swayed by Brian's dreadful display of emotional blackmail. (Did he offer to double your salary or at least top what the new job's offering - no!) Head and heart say the same, so offer to work out your notice if you-re feeling generous and then LEAVE Home Farm!) And what feeble excuses Brian gave for not committing the farm to Adam. Pathetic!
ReplyDeleteGood for you, Amber! It's encouraging to hear you and Emma working round each other. And I liked your inspired comment about Bartleby's ears pricking up when he heard George's name. I don't care if it wasn't the literal truth, although I feel pretty sure it was the spirit that counted!
PS. Should end: pretty sure it was - it was the spirit that counted. Amber’s comment reminded me of the reference to horses’ “busy ears” In Sarnia’s new poem about them. I’ve never been into horses (with the exception of dear Bartleby) but her observational skill has opened my eyes!
DeletePip will decide what Stella does and then tell her!
ReplyDeleteThat's me being cynical again 🫣
I do hope Stella does ignore Brian’s flagrant emotional offering and is brave enough to embrace the new opportunity.
ReplyDeleteSo do I.
DeleteAlice wasn't happy today. The path to the succession at Home Farm isn't going to be a smooth one.
ReplyDeleteOn top of that George's coming home or is he? All's set for his return, that often means trouble.
DeleteI actually want George to be released. How he is treated and how his life progresses generally, could be far more interesting than him staying in prison.
DeleteBesides why would us the listeners have had to put up with all the hype by Amber otherwise.
We’ve been away for a few weeks so I’m trying to catch-up by reading these blogs. I haven’t got the time to listen to the episodes, not even the omnibus shows.
ReplyDeleteI will try to get back into the habit of listening regularly.
Thanks to everyone for their comments and views.
With Justin relinquishing his/Damara's shares in BL, will Martyn + the board, give Home Farm their contract back even though Stella isn't there controlling things now?
ReplyDeleteIn other words, will they have the same faith in Adam + Ruiari...
This leads onto another thought. As Brian is supposedly stepping down from Home Farm, will he too have to relinquish his place on the BL board?
DeleteI've no idea how these things work so perhaps he can stay on as an investor.
They quite rightly might not but I think Ruairi has enough of the gift of the blarney to persuade BL. It was impressive how he leapt in after Brian talked of being excluded and said that Brian would still be the senior partner and involved in making all the major decisions and strategy, with the others just doing the day to day management. A force to be reckoned with methinks.
ReplyDeleteAdam will teach him all he knows and then I suspect Ruiari will become the senior partner.
Blarney ?
DeleteHasn’t he just, Janice.
I noticed that rapid response too.
In my mind the talk of Brian still being the major "decider" of all things Home Farm was just a smokescreen. Ruiari has definitely inherited the smooth talking + smooching technique inherited from his father, who after all called him a chip ofhe old block.
DeleteBrian will soon find himself with his hands tied as to such decision making.
It's going to be interesting but hope it doesn't deteact from other Ambridge stories.
I still want to hear from Lizzie + Vince, with LL and the abboitoir with Freddie, not forgetting that inheritance.
Revenge is a dish best served cold ... Clearly Mikey did know who shopped him :( But how did they get the weapon into his cell? I doubt they're allowed into each others' cells. Or is his cellmate in on the set-up?
DeletePoor George. The script-writers are certainly piling on the agony.
No, not poor George, but like Miriam, I wanted him to be out and see how he gets on, not more Amber around Ambridge.
DeleteDon't get me wrong, George deserved to go to prison for what he did, and he has been pretty awful in the past. But poor George for losing dearly-loved Bartleby, and for being set up in this way, particularly as he was beginning to see light at the end of the tunnel.
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ReplyDeleteBartleby 🐎 🌈
ReplyDeleteBrad should have been with Ed, Emma + the others so he could talk to George about it, not stuck behind a hedge with an OTT hysterical Amber, who only met Bartleby a few days ago!
Adam's threat was so melodramatic it was positively laughable. What's he been watching, I wondered! And so inappropriate, because George has never been guilty of physical violence in any shape or form - even his worst detractors haven't tried to pin that on him - so the idea of him laying a finger on Alice is just plain ridiculous. Not one of the scriptwriters' finer moments - a closing line flop, in fact.
ReplyDeleteIt was really over the top maryellen.
DeleteThat closing line was definitely unnecessary.
DeleteI do hope Amber isn't going to transfer her affections to Brad. Poor, sweet Brad clearly doesn't recognise the danger ...
ReplyDeleteI fear Brad is falling under her spell, first persuading not to have her teeth done and now saying she looks lovely without make up. With George away for longer, I dread what might happen.
DeleteI hope we are not going to have a repeat scenario of the Ed/Will saga, only between cousins (cousins once removed I think) instead of brothers. It would be a shame if the friendship between George and Brad is spoilt.
DeleteWas Amber really that upset about a horse she had never seen before, and showing her upset on behalf of George, or was she playing for sympathy and a cuddle from Brad?
DeleteI know I sound cynical but I find it difficult to believe in anything that girl says or does. Everything seems like an act, perhaps not always calculated, but used for effect.
I hope I am proved wrong.
I agree, Brad and George to stay friends and I don't trust Amber. She had visited Bartleby with Emma previously, but if they're are using him as a ruse to create havoc, then I'll be very disappointed.
ReplyDeleteBrad and George need to stay mates as neither of them has anyone else in that category.
ReplyDeleteThey are 1st cousins once removed, or similar, as is Chelsea.
DeleteTheir bond is family linked, not just mates.
I do get confused as to how Brad + Chelsea are related to George. Tracy is Mum to Brad + Chelsea and her sister Susan is Grandma to George, as her daughter Emma is George's mum.
DeleteThis makes Tracy George's Gt. Aunty.
Such complicated relationships...which I've probably are wrong.
Can anyone tell me how they are all related?
Emma is a 1st cousin to Brad + Chelsea of that I'm sure.
DeleteCourtesy of Google, from George’s pov, Brad is his first cousin once removed, and from Brad’s pov, George is his second cousin once removed. They will always be cousins of course, but whether they will always be mates is a different matter. I hope so.
DeleteFirst cousins, once removed, both ways.
DeleteBrad and Emma (same generation) share common grandparents so are first cousins.
George is one generation below Brad so is still a first cousin but once removed.
Brad is one generation above George so is also still a first cousin once removed.
If Brad ever has children, George and Bradlet will be second cousins because they share common great grandparents.
And George and Amber's offspring will be Bradlet's second cousin once removed.
(I know, I should get out more!)
Lots of helpful charts on the internet, this one is quite clear: https://www.genealogy.gailbrinsonivey.com/cousin-chart-family-relationships-explained/
Thank you for explaining that so clearly OWIAS.
DeleteNo no no ! Stick with staying in OwiaS.
DeleteI admire you for being able to not only understand but then delineate to others.
I’m impressed !
As far as I’m concerned “ he’s my cousin “ is good enough.
Ah yes, OWiaS, that's what I found when I looked at FamilySearch's cousin calculator chart just now, also the Institute of Genealogy's explanation.. I should know better than to quote an unattributed source! I must admit I find it all quite counterintuitive, partly because the 'removed' label doesn't indicate whether it's the preceding or succeeding generation in question. So one doesn't know which of the lads is a generation is higher or lower in the family tree. I suppose this is where context comes into it.
DeleteI agree with Mrs P.
Thanks OWIAS. I thought that they were 1st cousins once removed, but then entirely doubted myself and decided I was wrong.
DeleteThanks for making it clear.
I do though have to raise an issue with one thought in your comment - George + Amber having offspring. It'll be the Grundy equivalent of the terrific twins and Precious Rosie, all rolled into one! 😱
Not necessarily, Miriam! Amber could turn out to be as good at parenting as she is at haymaking and maths tutoring, while the qualities for which George was valued at Bridge Farm are also transferable.....
DeleteME It was said tongue-in-cheek!
DeleteI won't post in my flippant way again. Sorry.
Post in any way you like, Miriam - don’t mind me!
DeleteNo..I know how to post on different sites and in what ways, some serious, some more light-hearted/flippant and then some just plain silly.
DeleteGlad to have been of assistance 😊
DeleteME, I would say that age would be a help in deciding whether the remove was up or down. But Brad is a year younger than George so that doesn't help! (I hadn't realised until I checked just now that Tracey is 12 years younger than Susan.)
My Archers book dated 1986 refers to poor little Tracey but doesn’t say why. She’d have been 12 then. It seems an image change took place there too,
Deletethough how much was deliberate like Amber and how much was circumstantial, who knows? 🙂
George said that in a prison you keep your head down, but he didn't. All the same I hope he is released because I want to see how he and Amber get on outside .
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DeleteForgot to say, I was pleased to hear that George knows his 7 times table. Glad at least some of his maths lessons have stuck
DeleteRegarding the difference in ages of cousins - and aunts and uncles.
DeleteDoesn’t happen now, but in the past when there were very large families it could be very confusing.
My mother born 1914 was the youngest of eighteen live births, although two sets of twins subsequently died.
The eldest daughter gave birth to her daughter eighteen months after my mother was born. This made my mother aunt to a person very close to her in age, but they always considered themselves as cousins.
There was always much confusion amongst us younger cousins as to our positions.
I always understood that Tracey was considerably younger than Susan, but not by how much.
Second relationships can also lead to a spread of sibling ages. My half brother is 20 years my junior, and only a couple of years older than his elder nephews, my father’s second wife being close in age to my brother-in-law, who is 10 years older than my sister…..
DeleteMy university tutor was a year younger than his nephew (again, a second marriage).
DeleteTo add to the confusion, they were both maths tutors at the same university and shared the same surname. Unless context made it clear which Dr you were speaking of, they were referred to by their initials.
Yes KP - there is a similarity with my daughters who have a half brother in Australia who is midway in age between my youngest daughter and her eldest child. My eldest is childless, so no input to any confusion there.
DeleteOn the other hand my younger daughters husbands sister has two boys so five children between two siblings and they are all five clustered within a ten year period. Nice and simple for them, they are simply cousins. Two of the five have now finished university and the other three are all at university now.
We / me, seem to be going down a rabbit hole here.
Perhaps it should be on the other thread.
I do not want to see Amber and Brad becoming an item.
ReplyDeleteHowever if Brad is able to convince Amber to become her natural self, rather than the manufactured doll she appears ( to me ) to be, i believe that would improve her in many eyes.
Brad is far too sensible to become an item with Amber. If it does ever happen, it won't be for quite awhile yet.
DeleteI think he realises that George will much prefer "normal" Amber to "fake" Amber and is actually trying to help them both.
There's going to be a massive getting to know you time when George finally gets released.
I’d assumed it was Amber’s new self that George has fallen in love with, because I didn’t think he’d met her old self. I haven’t encountered her old self either and what I’ve heard about her younger self hasn’t been inspiring. I prefer her as she now, at least most of the time, particularly when her good qualities are on display and. also her wackiness!
DeleteI’d trust Brad’s motives 100% but I’m not so sure about his judgment.
I might be wrong again, but a lot of the times she's shown a nicer side of her, she's not had her painted face. There was the harvest with Eddie + Will, doing the washing up for Clarrie, taking Emma unexpectedly to see Bartleby, helping Poppy with her homework along with being herself when she'd cried her make-up off, on a few couple occasions now.
DeleteIt reminds me of a clown removing their make-up and then returning to normal. 🤡
She is a clown IMO !
DeleteAnd I never liked clowns….. Creepy with a capital C !
I understood that George knew her at school along with Brad and Chelsea.
Agree again with Miriam, but my respect for ME from the past is very much at odds with MEs increasing advocacy for Amber.
Amber's comment about having a boyfriend in prison: how cool is that! for her online profile.
DeleteIf Amber's new look is just about makeup, then sh'e only doing what a vast number of women have done down the ages, boosting their self-image by using face paint etc. We're all (or most of us) clowns in that respect - though hopefully with a more subtle touch than Amber! Clowns and/or fakes. But I feel the crucial feature of her makeover is not her personal appearance but her choice of a trendy, alternative career, plus the excitable vocal style it invokes.
DeleteGeorge knew he was taking a risk. That exchange between Adam and Paul was painful, how old is he?
ReplyDeleteDo you mean how old is Paul BASIA.
DeleteHe does come across as being very un evolved, sometimes almost childish, and often naive.
He is not unlikable but seems to me to be a pretty bland figure.
Yes, I did mean Paul and his age is not given, but Ruairi is 23, so assume similar. Really, asking Jolene for prompts about what to talk about with Adam who is 58 and didn't fare much better.
DeleteI suppose they were both mismatched. It happens. !
DeleteMy last comment re Amber, is this.
ReplyDeleteWhen George comes out of prison, whenever that is, she will soon see that George is not who she thought he is + has hyped up!
I think George will see her in a different way also.
Here ends my thoughts re Amber, except I hope that whatever she's hiding about her past, is finally revealed.
Amber is now 🤐🤬
“Things base and vile, holding no quantity,
DeleteLove can transpose to form and dignity.
Love looks not with the eyes, but with the mind,
And therefore is winged Cupid painted blind.”
You and Shakespeare on the same wavelength, Miriam! He also said the path of true love never did run smooth, so more drama ahead, I reckon.
I really felt for the Grundys last night. Fingers crossed they are not going to be put through the wringer yet again!
All I want to know is:-
ReplyDeleteWhat is happening to the shop + Chris's flat, as they had to leave on July 30th. It just seems a long time to me.
We might hear tomorrow.
DeleteSometimes I despair of Brad and tonight, when he was shadowing Mick, was one of those occasions. How could he be such a clown? And why does it always seem to happen at Grey Gables?
ReplyDeleteI thought the recent scenes with Brad have been rather nicely done. I think, like many listeners, that he is on the autistic spectrum, and the scenes with Ian and Mick show how he copes and masks to fit in. As a porter he’s learnt a suitable pro-forma to follow and he can act the role well. When Mick asked him to do something without suggesting how he struggled.
DeleteI sincerely hope that the scriptwriters don’t put Brad and Amber as anything other than slightly awkward friends, I think that although Brad has said he thinks Amber is pretty he isn’t attracted to her ( he still carries a torch for Mia) and wouldn’t do that to George.
I too am sure he is being portayed as being on the trum, and realise from someone close to me how difficult it is to find a way, sometimes not successfully, to be like other people in order to fit in.
ReplyDeleteI think there are some very clever parallels going on here. Brad has to mask of necessity, has to learn from others how to behave in any given situation. Amber doesn't have to mask with her make up covering up her natural looks and her acting of a bright upfront influencers personality but does so as a cover for her lack of self confidence, engendered by her upbringing and bullying at school.
I found it rather heart breaking hearing Brad saying to Amber she didn't need all the make up etc i.e. she didn't need to mask, probably thinking to himself but I do and I always will. Or, just pondering here, would the scriptwriters be brave enough to let Brad unmask and truly be himself as a way of encouraging listeners to understand and allow integration of neurodivergent people into society as they are and not as they have to pretend to be. The problem then is the difficulty of maintaining a job in a people facing place like Grey Gables. Maybe though he is learning useful masking skills that will smooth his passage in life.
DeleteSorry for the separate bits KP, but I sometimes write a long bit and then butterfingers manages somehow to lose it all!
DeleteI think Brad is becoming fond of Amber. He seemed very subdued when Amber was so very excited about George coming home and the things they would do, including sharing a bedroom.
Sorry. Spectrum not trum.
DeleteThat’s all very interesting. I thought the spectrum theory had been abandoned, and Brad’s more recent interpersonal behaviour seemed (to me).to bear that out, but it is still a very convincing explanation for the odd episodes at Grey Gables. I wonder why Tracy has never acknowledged the situation and sought professional advice (same with Chelsea’s adenoids!) Like everyone else, I hope the Brad+Amber suggestion is entirely listener-generated and hasn’t crossed the scriptwriters’ minds! I’d like Brad and Mia to reunite when their college days and her accompanying romance are over.....
DeleteRe. Tracey : I think partly because parents tend to see their children through rose coloured glasses ( dentist to me your daughter needs to have 4 teeth out and a brace. Me to dentist Why? Followed by utter exasperation of the dentist)
DeleteAnd partly because although ADHD has been recognised for a while especially once a child reaches school age and is being disruptive to the class, the quieter inward kind of neurodivergency, has only more recently become understood with professional help beginning to be available. An intelligent child like Brad would have quickly learnt how to mask in order to survive in the classroom.
I also found Mick's comments and warning to Brad at the end of the episode very interesting. Is he going to be right or wrong about George?
ReplyDeleteIt was interesting considering the current portrayal of George as being repentant and reformed. Was he right or is he still disliking George because of the accident and what happened to Joy?
DeleteI think that Amber is in love with the idea of being in love. Quite revealing when she told Brad that she and George had never even had a walk together. I hope Mick is wrong about George but little memories of his erstwhile behaviour such as his spite towards Hannah and his sheer rudeness to Jolene , have popped up in my mind . If he is controlling, Amber could be easily controlled and that is a S/L we could all do without!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteThere is also the deceitful way George treated Brad over Caroline's bench.
DeleteYes indeed CC - whilst reading Lizzie Dee’s post, my mind immediately went to the business of the bench.
DeleteI will never forget it, even tho’ Brad may have forgiven G.
My interest has been heightened by at least three Ambridge characters this week, being allowed to voice their negative views about George.
First Adam, followed by Mick and then Chris tonight.
While Susan and Neil still seem to be trying to convince themselves that they love George.
Do they ?
Interestingly (or perhaps not), the three characters are all men. Is this just a coincidence, the result of juggling various storylines with actor/studio availability, or are the scriptwriters trying to tell us something about human nature?
DeleteI would hope the latter ME.
DeleteI'm glad Emma reminded Amber that Susan and Neil were her parents and not the ones to resent George's presence.
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